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uh yeah.

That's really bad.

Because that's exactly how I shoot a shotgun rapidly.

I've never tried it with my Mossy...Is it significantly faster? Is it bad for the gun?

PainKillaX wrote:I've never tried it with my Mossy...Is it significantly faster? Is it bad for the gun?

No and No.

when asked about this, Kel-Tec reps have said that the “LEO Models” (which are presently vaporware) will slamfire and the “civilian” models are the ones at the show. So, yes you read that correctly: Kel-Tec is saying that a slamfiring shotgun is a “feature” that will be marketed to LEOs. Meanwhile, the “civilian” version will apparently retain its functionally broken trigger.

http://gunnuts.net/2011/01/21/shot-show-shotgun-update/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks Llagoud

Ok you smithies - can that be fixed easy enough? (Normally speaking - obviously no one has worked on these yet)

Yet another reason I will avoid Kel-Tec.

How often do you need to slam fire? Heck get an old Winchester trench shotty for about 200 bucks if you want to do that.

Also a shotgun action isn't exactly rocket science. Should take you about 10 minutes to switch over to slam fire.

I DIG

I got a letter from Kel Tec today. MSRP is $880. Those that have alredy placed an order, what are you expecting to pay? If the BATFE comes thru, I'll be able to trade my S12 for 2 of these bad boys!

Large gun-show in my area today, plenty of Saiga-12's left on the table at the end of the first day, sticker price was $475. Obviously the recent BATFE regs are almost unheard-of among the average gun-going public, i was shocked.

On the other hand, glocks were flying off the table. Largest display said he had sold everything except his GEN IV's.

I thought about picking up a Saiga, but decided against it when I saw how many were just sitting there, no one thinks they're going away.

$880 is a bit steep for a pump shotgun, its only novelty is two tube-mags instead of one... how about 550-650, seems more reasonable.

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:Obviously the recent BATFE regs are almost unheard-of among the average gun-going public, i was shocked.

Well seeing as that announcement was made days ago at an industry-only event it's not surprising that there's not much out there about it.

Plus I think an official announcement regarding the matter is supposed to happen Monday.

Mister Freeze wrote:I got a letter from Kel Tec today. MSRP is $880. Those that have alredy placed an order, what are you expecting to pay? If the BATFE comes thru, I'll be able to trade my S12 for 2 of these bad boys!

Don't wish idiotic regulation on anyone please.

flyingirish04 wrote:

Mister Freeze wrote:I got a letter from Kel Tec today. MSRP is $880. Those that have alredy placed an order, what are you expecting to pay? If the BATFE comes thru, I'll be able to trade my S12 for 2 of these bad boys!

Don't wish idiotic regulation on anyone please.

Not wishing ill to others, just luck to me.

Http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalo ... 4rd-black/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Maybe one of our sponsors could offer a deal like that second one? (Hint, hint, wink, wink!)
:thumb:

Thank God I have mine on order already.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011 ... n-updates/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Beware hoax sellers:

At this point, Kel-Tec has made several small runs of the shotgun, and those units have shipped to various people for testing and evaluation.

Additionally, Kel-Tec is advising that all KSG shotguns being offered for sale on GunBroker.com and other locations “…are hoaxes.” Kel-Tec stated that they have not shipped any shotguns that are available for resale, and that any of the people with T&E guns that try to sell them “…will be dealt with on their end.”

Kel-Tec stated they are “confident” they “…will be shipping in full quantities by year’s end as previously anticipated.”

Wish they'd hurry up

I'd rather they work the bugs out then rush garbage into production. Sig has almost ruined its previously untarnishable reputation for doing things like that with their domestic "gotta have it" products.

If it turns out to be a successful product, I'll wait till the hype dies and buy two of them. Bullpups are fantastic weapons for SHTF due to their lower profile and concealability.

Llagoud wrote:Found this here> http://gunnuts.net/2011/01/20/kel-tec-k ... gun-video/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you pull the trigger, and then run the slide while still holding the trigger to the rear like you would on a Remington 870 or a Mossberg, the trigger will simply go dead. We actually tried this on several models and it was the same on each demo gun. Here’s video of me demonstrating what happens........


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To bring the gun back online after this malfunction, you’d have to run the action again, which would eject a perfectly good round in an action combat situation. Imagine that in a home defense situation – you shoot one shot, run the action on your gun, and nothing happens.

You can't just release the trigger to allow it to reset, then repull it? Most shotguns won't slam fire, and require the trigger to be released as i just described before firing.

I personally see no point to pump shotguns. Semis are soooo much faster.

And $800 for a Kel Tec shotgun? Sorry, if it doesn't say Benelli or HK on the side there is no way in hell i'm paying that kind of money for a riot gun.

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:I'd rather they work the bugs out then rush garbage into production.

Like they did with the PMR-30.

That's actually very old news.

They have stated the problem fixed.

The problem is that it's not a semi-auto.

The problem is pushing the release date out...

FastSTi wrote:The problem is pushing the release date out...

Which problem? I don't regard the pump action as a problem. Nor do I consider the slam fire thing a problem. Each shot should be a deliberate squeeze of the trigger.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012 ... nfa-model/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Their on the market! We'll just have to wait and see what kind of production numbers they hit

Will the sub 18" versions be sold as SBS or AOW?

Not sure, haven't seen a list on them. With the number of basic shotguns hitting the market it'll be debatable if the others produced

Llagoud wrote:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012 ... nfa-model/

I do not like that bottom tactical model... it puts the back of my hand in front of the muzzle. (I'm not worried about shooting myself, but it seems like I'd have a pretty thick layer of GSR on me after a long day of fun.)

Just wash your hands.

I always have black hands by the time I'm done. GSR will get on you, regardless.

Just found this review of the KSG
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/kel-tec ... ge-report/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like KelTec did it right for the most part, just wish the price would come down a bit more I know a few are opening at close to MSRP on gunbroker but the fanbois are still driving up the price

They also tested the Aguilla 1 3/4″ Minishells, which not only worked flawlessly, they also boosted the KSG's capacity to 24+1!

hmmmm, having 25 rounds on hand is definitely swaying my vote as to what one of my next purchases might be . the pattern at 10 yards is really not that good though. my saiga 12 by my bed is loaded with 3" 00 buck, which the more i think about it, is not the best load. it will more than likely (if not definitely) over penetrate a BD (assuming it is on target) and still go through an interior wall.

tried a quick youtube search and did not find any videos of the minishells vs drywall. the "flyers" are probably not as bad as the over penetrating 3" 00...not saying you should not be concerned about the flyers by any means. i am strictly stating i should probably rethink my current loadings as well as future loadings.

I saw one of these forsale the other day at a gunshop. Wanted 1k for it. Fondled it like a boss. Was happy. I can't believe I have seen one of these forsale and I have never seen a pmr30 in person and only 2 RFBs... lol